It's easier to herd cats http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats Undisciplined and a picky eater: May the Force be with me en All rights reserved Weight loss extrapounds v2 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 1440 http://www.extrapounds.com/images/avatars/users/andeherdingcats.gif Avatar http://www.extrapounds.com/ 100 100 Undisciplined and a picky eater: May the Force be with me Eye Opener http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/379422/eye-opener <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <P>This is my third day tracking what I eat and... well... as I suspected, it was alittle bit of an eye opener.</P> <P>I wrote last time that I was just going to eat whatever I'd normally eat ~ just to see where that got me... but being it was Jan 1st and my first day doing this ~ I lied... when I saw I had eaten half of my calories BEFORE noon... I decided that maybe I didn't really want to know on my first day...&nbsp; so ~ I ate a salad (something I NEVER do) and went for a 45-min walk ~ and managed to come in slightly under my goal for the day ~ YEAH ME!!!&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/thumbs_up.gif"></P> <P>The 2nd day ~ being Friday and a work day ~ I ate what I normally would eat ~ Taco Bell for lunch...&nbsp; peanut M&amp;M's in the afternoon... and a drink after work and had a short snacking binge on salami before dinner... and... well... that was more like&nbsp;"me".&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And I was almost 800 calories over my goal.&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/confused_smile.gif">&nbsp; I guess that explains a few things...</P> <P>But more shocking to me was how much sodium I consumed!&nbsp; I thought I was doing better than that!!&nbsp; I was 2x's more than I should be...&nbsp; ai ai aiy... guess that explains the blood pressure too (even though genetics is probably more to blame)</P> <P>So... yaaahhh... chalk one up for the merits of keeping a food diary...</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/379422/eye-opener">Comments(2)</a> 379422 Monday, December 1, 2008 00:03:23 New Year ~ New Beginnings http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/378741/new-year-new-beginnings <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <P>I like how starting a new year has this way of wiping the slate clean so that we can begin again... it's somewhat liberating!&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/shades_smile.gif"></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>Every once in awhile I try to keep a food diary in order to analyze what goes into my mouth.&nbsp; I have to admit:&nbsp; I hate keeping track of what I eat each day.&nbsp; Not because of what it tells me at the end of the day ~ but the chore of having to look up "how many calories was that?"&nbsp; "what was the serving size... really?"&nbsp; I mostly got frustrated when I ate out at a restaurant and had to guess at what the intake might be...</P> <P>I've tried some online food counters but didn't really like them.&nbsp; Then I read someone's blog here on EP who mentioned the Daily Plate... and I grudgingly&nbsp;thought ~ well ~ why not check it out?&nbsp;&nbsp; So today&nbsp;I did&nbsp;~ and I must admit ~ it seems to be a pretty cool site.&nbsp; I could type in "Applebee's"&nbsp; and it brought up their menu... so no more guessing on how much the Quesadilla Burger cost me (in terms of calories, fat, etc).&nbsp; Pretty cool ~ so my goal this week is to keep track of what I eat, and see where I end up.&nbsp; Then... I'll start making changes and see where that gets me...&nbsp; </P> <P>I'm not going to alter my eating habits this week because I'm really curious about how many calories I was REALLY consuming... I've always thought that I don't really eat alot (no excessive snacking, no big portions anymore...)&nbsp; but I've always known deep down that although I may not eat a large VOLUME of food ~ I eat food very high in fat, sugar, and cholesterol.&nbsp; And this is where I'm sure I've been underestimating the true totals.&nbsp; So inquiring minds want to know just how much it really was that I was eating, so that I can remind myself later on that ~ it's more than I'd like to believe it is ~ if I ever revert back to bad habits.&nbsp; You could say I'm gathering facts for future reality checks!&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/confused_smile.gif"></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>So the first eye opener was ~ according to the website ~ I've already eaten half of my recommended daily calories (based on my current weight, height, and desire to lose 1 lb per week)...&nbsp; and I haven't had lunch yet.&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/embaressed_smile.gif">&nbsp;The culprit:&nbsp; those 2 cokes I just <STRONG>had</STRONG> to have... like I&nbsp;do every morning.&nbsp; I used to be a Coke-aholic, but I've managed to get down to 2 per day.&nbsp; So ~ I'll try for one a day... but giving up that last one is not negotiable... I can tell you that now!&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/devil_smile.gif"></P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>So - I raise my Coke to new beginnings ~ and wish everyone health, happiness, and prosperity in this new year!!&nbsp; Cheers!!</P></DIV> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/378741/new-year-new-beginnings">Comments(0)</a> 378741 Monday, December 1, 2008 00:01:20 What do you fear? http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/377449/what-do-you-fear <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <P style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"><FONT color=#330099>This is the 2nd time I've read an article about this ~ I think it poses some&nbsp;interesting questions that demand some serious soul-searching if one is to be honest with oneself.&nbsp; It was something of an eye-opener for me if I am being honest with myself...</FONT></P> <P style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"><FONT color=#330099>I've asked myself two questions:&nbsp;</FONT></P> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <LI><FONT color=#330099>What's holding me back from achieving my weight loss goals?</FONT> <LI><FONT color=#330099>What&nbsp; fears come up when I think of achieving my goal?</FONT></LI></DIV> <P><FONT color=#330099></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT color=#330099>For example ~ if a control freak finds it hard to delegate, they may feel anxiety over losing that sense of himself that thinks he's a problem solver, the one who knows best, the one who's in control.&nbsp;&nbsp; For someone wanting to lose weight, they may feel anxiety over the new attention they would receive being skinny, if this person is very shy to begin with.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or maybe someone overeats because they feel that's the only way to fit into their family?&nbsp; and if they don't overeat, they will no longer be accepted...</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#330099>There are lots of things we tell ourselves to justify staying overweight.&nbsp; I think if I can continue to identify these false claims, maybe then I'll be more successful at losing weight.&nbsp; Whatever it is that is making me secretly anxious, I know I can overcome it.</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#3300cc></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/377449/what-do-you-fear">Comments(0)</a> 377449 Thursday, November 1, 2007 22:08:01 Each new effort... http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/377433/each-new-effort <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <P><FONT color=#330066>Earlier in the year I had asked "how many do-overs do we get?"&nbsp; because I had fallen out of any routine&nbsp;I had going, and was once again starting over.&nbsp; I read something this weekend that I thought was the perfect answer to that.&nbsp; Bob Greene (Oprah's trainer) wrote:</FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#330066></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT color=#330066>"Instead of thinking "I've failed over and over again, why bother trying again?&nbsp;" take your relapse in stride and stay positive no matter how many attempts you make.&nbsp; <FONT size=3><STRONG>Each new effort brings you closer to the one that might really work</STRONG>."</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT color=#330066></FONT>&nbsp;</P> <P><FONT color=#330066>How true!</FONT></P></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/377433/each-new-effort">Comments(1)</a> 377433 Thursday, November 1, 2007 22:07:23 Still herding cats... http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/376524/still-herding-cats <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 5px"> <P>wow ~ I've been away for awhile ~ and EP has a new look!&nbsp; cool...</P> <P>I'm not even going to waste time coming up with excuses for why I've been away.&nbsp; It serves no purpose and apparantly, I just needed to take a break <FONT size=2>(there were some health issues)...</FONT>&nbsp;but it was still "productive" in other ways...</P> <P>I started&nbsp;a new job 3 months ago and MAN am I thrilled about it!&nbsp; In fact I'm still giddy about it...&nbsp; finally ~ a job that is fulfilling!!</P> <P>and with a new job comes stress... and with some new meds come the munchies... I finally read the fine print on my blood pressure meds and it says it blocks most salt from being absorbed into my system.&nbsp; I think that explains why I suddenly had 3 different kinds of chips in my cupboard ~ craving salt like there's no tomorrow ~ and I've NEVER been one to have chips in the house.&nbsp; (ok - not "never"&nbsp; ~ but seriously - maybe 2x a year, I'd buy a bag of chips.&nbsp; maybe.).&nbsp;&nbsp; But suddenly, the combo new job/no salt absorbsion sends me running down the chip aisle, filling up my cart...&nbsp;and if I passed anyone in the aisle with Fritos in their cart, I'd steal their bag too... it was that bad.&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/devil_smile.gif"></P> <P>So my weight went up.&nbsp; Then my weight comes down.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think ~ as of today ~ I'm back to where I left off in Sept...&nbsp;</P> <P>But more troubling were the aches and pains that developed over the past 3 months.&nbsp; The disc in my lower back is now hurting on a regular basis ~ but it's a dull pain (for now) so... I'm doing more core exercises and more stretching ~ and sticking to slow walks.&nbsp; I've developed a nice new sharp pain in my spine between my shoulder blades ~ seems linked to tension (which a new job produces) ~ which is also linked/triggered by the tension/burning shoulder/neck muscles that have also developed recently.&nbsp; That's always a pleasant feeling ~ especially when all three decide to hurt at the same time.&nbsp; And I'm only 44... <FONT size=2>(at least I think I'm 44?)</FONT></P> <P>So during my time off ~ while nursing my back ~ I've acknowledged that ~ I'm falling apart and if I don't get serious about things, I'll be pushing a walker around by my 50th b-day.&nbsp; And I'll never get out and do all of the hiking and backpacking that I've dreamed I'd be doing every day of the week, now that I live next to the Rocky Mtns.&nbsp; And I've realized I can't deny this any longer.&nbsp; I'm out of shape <FONT size=2>(that's really difficult for my ego to accept).</FONT>&nbsp; <IMG src="/thm/images/mooeditable/msn/angry_smile.gif"></P> <P>In fact ~ I got really upset last month when I read in Health magazine that a 5'4" woman is considered "obese" if she weighs 174 lbs.&nbsp; Overweight at 145 lbs.&nbsp; I don't like being considered "obese".&nbsp; Another blow for the ego... I suppose it doesn't help my ego either that the graphic outlining this "news" now resides on my refridgerator.</P> <P>But then I read a couple of other things that made me feel much better.&nbsp; I was getting upset because, as I worked out, the next day I'd be more sore than I thought I should be.&nbsp; I used to be very athletic and so being sore just because I walked 2 miles made me feel pathetic and very angry with myself.&nbsp; But I read that if you've been a couch potato for the last decade and are now in your 40's ~ everything hurts more and takes longer to recover.&nbsp; It just does...&nbsp; and I need to accept that.&nbsp; So I can do that... after all, I really don't want to get my exercise from pushing a&nbsp;walker...</P> <P>And then Oprah wrote the following in her magazine that seemed to resonate with me; she wrote:&nbsp; <FONT color=#9933ff>"Authentic change doesn't come easy, but with self-awareness, mindfulness, and guts, it actually does come."</FONT></P> <P>&nbsp;I like that.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's a much more poetic way of saying "just shut up and do it!"</P> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/376524/still-herding-cats">Comments(1)</a> 376524 Thursday, November 1, 2007 22:02:03 Why?? I ask myself... http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/356166/why-i-ask-myself <p>I'm always fascinated with why we make the choices that we do...&nbsp; I was thinking about that today on my walk outside... in this gorgeous fall weather.&nbsp; I love the fall... when there's a hint of chilly-ness in the&nbsp;air...</p> <p>anyway ~ last week I was driving past a bike trail ~ and I found myself thinking &quot;I wanna be one of those people who bikes on those trails... or goes for a long bike ride in the country...&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've <i>always </i>wanted to be one of &quot;those&quot; people.&nbsp; And during this same week ~ I also heard myself say &quot;I wanna be one of those people who goes backpacking in the mountains, and camps at cool, remote places....&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've always wanted to be one of &quot;them&quot; too...&nbsp; I cannot tell you how many YEARS I've been &quot;wishing&quot; this...&nbsp; (and the sad reality is ~ a very long time ago, I used to BE on of &quot;those&quot; people...)</p> <p>so today on my walk...&nbsp; I'm asking myself:&nbsp; &quot;so what's stopping you from doing those things?&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; and you know... I have no idea!&nbsp;&nbsp; Why is that?&nbsp;&nbsp; Why ~ do you think ~ people who have genuine desires to go out and play ~ do nothing about it??&nbsp; except dream about it??&nbsp; You would think this would motivate me... but it doesn't.</p> <p>What do you think is going on here?!?&nbsp; <img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/confused_smile.gif" /></p> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/356166/why-i-ask-myself">Comments(2)</a> 356166 Saturday, December 8, 2007 23:04:21 In-Between Sizes http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/346033/in-between-sizes <p>While on one hand ~ it's a good sign...&nbsp; on the other, it's annoying as hell... being in-between sizes...</p> <p>I'm desparately needing to replace my wardrobe... I've been holding off because I'm suppose to be losing weight...<img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/confused_smile.gif" /></p> <p>but I need clothes NOW!&nbsp;&nbsp; So ~ I try pants on&nbsp;in my &quot;normal&quot; size... they look and feel alittle baggy&nbsp;&nbsp;<img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif" />&nbsp; so I go down a size... they feel alittle too tight around the belly...&nbsp;&nbsp;<img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_down.gif" />&nbsp;I hate this;&nbsp; I hate this in-between sizes phase...</p> <p>but I'm really <i>really </i>needing clothes now... the things I have now are so worned and washed out ~ even stretched out ~ I look dumpy...&nbsp; and feeling frustrated about my appearance leads to ice cream...</p> <p>I know... I know... concentrate on the positives here!!&nbsp; my &quot;normal&quot; size is BAGGY on me!!!&nbsp; yeah!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; (but I just needed to vent alittle...)&nbsp; <img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/wink_smile.gif" /></p> <p>I guess it's a good problem to have...</p> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/346033/in-between-sizes">Comments(6)</a> 346033 Saturday, December 8, 2007 00:03:22 Uffda ! http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/340027/uffda- <p>How many do-overs do we get???&nbsp;&nbsp; <img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/tounge_smile.gif" /></p> <p>I'm still trying to come to terms with my disappearance over these past few months... I will say that... I don't know what percentage can be contributed to &quot;excuses, excuses&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; and what percentage is &quot;genuine need to be concerned&quot;...&nbsp;</p> <p>I have not been feeling &quot;right&quot; since March... after the bronchitis attack... after the 10 days of diarrha...&nbsp; I can officially now say...&nbsp; that I'm a &quot;dizzy broad!&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Over the past 3 months - each and every time I lay down... the room spins...&nbsp; and lately, it's been happening more and more when I look up or bend over... so... yoga is out for now...&nbsp; and I'm actually scared to do aerobics in case it's something to do with my heart...&nbsp; I live alone so... if I collapse...</p> <p>(well, you remember how my cat just walked right over me when I was on the floor doing leg lifts??&nbsp; I'm sure she'd just do that again and not give it another thought...)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/confused_smile.gif" /></p> <p>I've been to the doc multiple times (I actually had to switch docs after the first month because he blew me off and didn't take me seriously).&nbsp; I'm now on high blood pressure meds&nbsp; <img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/sad_smile.gif" />&nbsp; and at my doc appt this week, when I told him the dizziness has &quot;changed&quot; and happens at other times now... he said it's me adjusting to the new drugs...</p> <p>I guess... we can try that interpretation for awhile... I'm hoping he's right and it does&nbsp;makes sense... but I'm not so sure my gut has bought into that idea yet.&nbsp; So... I'm scared to work out much...&nbsp; <i>HOWEVER...</i></p> <p>having said that ~ I know perfectly well that I can still walk around the park so...&nbsp; I don't need to &quot;hide&quot; &nbsp;completely behind this new, mysterious (and hopefully temporary) medical condition...&nbsp;&nbsp;the truth is, though,&nbsp;I'm just feeling alittle scared about this unknown...</p> <p>On the up-side... I'm only up ONE pound since I last wrote!!!&nbsp; (which was many many moons ago...)&nbsp;&nbsp; Can't say that I'm eating &quot;healthy&quot; or &quot;correctly&quot; - but the portions must be ok..!!</p> <p>I'm hoping to reconnect with you guys ~ and hope you are all doing well!!&nbsp; I sure did appreciate the comments checking in on me, from Kristy, Andie and Kate... that meant alot!&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks you guys ~</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/340027/uffda-">Comments(4)</a> 340027 Thursday, December 6, 2007 23:02:22 Everest Update http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/309758/everest-update <p>I've started out alittle slow on my 2nd attempt for the summit of Mt Everest... I left Base Camp at 17,600 ft and have climbed 831 ft towards Camp One... once again I'm passing thru the Khumbu Falls...</p> <p>The Khumbu Falls is 2,000 ft of constantly shifting ice blocks that is never stable;&nbsp; because of this, new cravasses can open up without any warning... at any moment.&nbsp; They say more climbers have died going thru the ice falls than on any other part of the mountain.&nbsp; To get thru the Ice Falls, climbers must walk across ladders that bridge the gap from one ice &quot;cube&quot; to another... and they do this wearing their crampons (metal spikes they wear on their boots to walk on ice)!!&nbsp; Absolutely insane...&nbsp; This would be the 2nd reason why I couldn't really climb Everest (the first reason being I'm too outta shape) <img alt="" src="http://www.extrapounds.com/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/tounge_smile.gif" />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; My knees would buckle in&nbsp;a heartbeat the first time I stepped out onto one of those ladders and looked down...&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>so anyway ~ I'm now 1,469 ft away from Camp One...</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/309758/everest-update">Comments(6)</a> 309758 Tuesday, December 4, 2007 00:06:11 Finding strength thru a Seuss-ical http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/309537/finding-strength-thru-a-seuss-ical <p style="text-align: center"><i>I cannot eat a carrot stick</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I cannot eat a pear</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I cannot seem to&nbsp; make myself</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>run up and down the stairs</i></p> <p style="text-align: center">&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I ask myself: </i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>Self?&nbsp; why so blue?</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>You have a brain cell !</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>You know what to do!</i></p> <p style="text-align: center">&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I'm blue!!&nbsp; It's true!&nbsp; </i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>This shouldn't be ~</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I feel like a fish </i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>that's jumped out of the sea.</i></p> <p style="text-align: center">&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I do not know what happened here</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I sometimes do not even care</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>But then I say to my cranky self</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>&quot;Just shut up and do it!! </i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>Be healthy!! Or Else!!&quot;</i></p> <p style="text-align: center">&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>My tummy can not hide in those</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>it's from&nbsp;the ice cream I suppose</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>My flabby thighs - they are the same</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>And so began the losing game</i></p> <p style="text-align: center">&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>So I says to myself:</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>&quot;&nbsp;Just get 'er done!!</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>You'll have more energy!!</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>You'll have more fun!!&quot;</i></p> <p style="text-align: center">&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>&quot;Just think of the places where you could go?</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>If you didn't have to travel to them, oh so slow?</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>Just kick 'er into high gear and get off your ass!!</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>With exercise and fresh air these feelings will pass!!&quot;</i></p> <p style="text-align: center">&nbsp;</p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I do not know from whence it comes</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I remember when exercising was so much fun</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>I ask myself:&nbsp; &quot;self why is this so?&quot;</i></p> <p style="text-align: center"><i>&nbsp;&quot;because losing weight is painfully slow&quot;...</i></p> <a href="http://www.extrapounds.com/blog/andeherdingcats/comments/309537/finding-strength-thru-a-seuss-ical">Comments(2)</a> 309537 Tuesday, December 4, 2007 00:05:15